Joe Giudice Trial Update: Something “Fabulicious” Is Cooking In the Fraudice Kitchen

Joe Giudice Trial Update: Something “Fabulicious” Is Cooking In the Fraudice Kitchen

Teresa GiudiceSomething “Fabulicious” is cooking in the Fraudice kitchen! 

In another unappetizing chapter in the family crookbook, RHONJ star, Joe Giudice is making several request of the court.

Joe is attempting to save his wife, Teresa from the impending doom that awaits her, Big Bertha 30+ years in a federal prison. Many have speculated, Joe’s legal strategy would be to “fall on the sword” and assume all criminal responsibility for his codefendant, Teresa. Joe is claiming Teresa did not participate or have awareness of the alleged fraud contained in the 41 count indictment. Joe’s sentiment has a suggestive feel to it–perhaps a suggestive piece of evidence or a suggestive admission of guilt. Joe asserts, if he is granted a separate trial, he will take the stand and declare his wife’s innocence but if they have joint trials, he will  exercise his Fifth Amendment right and not take the stand to self-incriminate.

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Per court documents, Joe’s attorney has filed several motions on his client’s behalf. One of the requests is a motion to grant “misjoinder and to sever” which essentially means “separate codefendant / separate trial.” If granted separate trials, Bonnie & Clyde, the codefendants would not be forced to testify against each other. Interesting….why would that matter if you’re “innocent?” 

Supposedly, Joe’s attorney previously offered the court a plea deal with a similar a request.  The plea deal stipulated the couple would both plead “guilty,” Joe would serve all the prison time for both and Teresa would get probation. In addition to paying fines and penalties. Allegedly, that plea deal was previously denied by the prosecutor.  The prosecutor’s office stated the only plea deal they would accept is extensive prison time for both, purportedly.  Approximately,  90% of federal cases end in conviction by plea deal. Clearly Joe’s legal defense filed the motion to separate trials as a tactical maneuver to delay the trial, scheduled to start in April.

Teresa Giudice

The courts will consider granting an order to  “misjoinder and sever” IF the following criteria are met:

a) The defendants have differing interests:
Joe and Teresa may “possibly” have grounds here since they appear to have different theories in respect to their defense hence different attorneys
b) The situations in each claim are different or contradictory 
Joe and Teresa have the same charges, except Count 35-39: Failure to Make Tax Returns – those counts are all against Joe and claim he didn’t file tax returns from 2004-2008. 
c) The defendants are not involved (even slightly) in the same transaction.
Based on the indictment they participated in the fraud together

Joe Giudice

Joe is not done, Celebuzz.com is reporting the following additional requests filed:

  1. He wants the U.S. Attorney’s indictment dismissed with prejudice (translation: The case would be over forever and no further action could be taken) because the defense claims there is not one single conspiracy as the prosecution alleges.

  2. Joe would also like for certain charges of wire and bank fraud dismissed. For example, the alleged fraudulent loan applications filed between 2001 and 2005 due to the expired statute of limitations.

  3. His defense team is also demanding the prosecution disclose all discovery, including any evidence of other crimes Joe has allegedly committed that will be produced at trial (like reports by any witnesses, etc.)

  4. The hot-heated TV husband also wants the prosecution to provide access to the grand jury transcript “in order to determine whether grand jury abuses led to his indictment.”

  5. And, last but not least, he wants a separate hearing to review all Real Housewives of New Jersey takes and outtakes that attorneys plan on using against him to determine their “audibility and admissibility.”

I understand Joe won’t be able to sleep at night with the thought of his precious Teresa moving from a luxurious mansion to a “used” filthy 8×10 prison cell but delaying the inevitable won’t make it “go away.”

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Teresa Giudice House

AFTER
Federal prison cell Vick

In conclusion, Joe’s legal defense is using the above requests as tactical maneuvers to buy Joe and Teresa as much freedom as possible before they are convicted and hauled off to prison. It’s highly expected this case will end in a plea deal conviction and won’t go to trial. The feds have a 90% conviction rate through plea agreements. Most of Joe’s requests, while within legal rights are ridiculous and will be the final nail in their coffins. The feds hate to be taunted and mocked. It appears these new motions were filed with the intention to create delay after delay, pushing the trial date further away. However, that won’t derail the inevitable. The feds have a bounty of evidence and there is no way, Teresa and Joe will get off. They BOTH will eventually be convicted and sentenced to many years in prison.

 

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  • WestCoastFeed

    Thanks, Doc for your excellent summary.

    Even if they could sever the bank and mortgage fraud charges, there is no way they can sever the bankruptcy fraud charges. Teresa signed those and knowingly lied about her own assets. She has 3 counts of perjury in those documents alone. Matha Stewart did time for just one count of perjury.

    • noarguingwithstupid

      Good blog!!! A very complicated mess and I love all the requests that Juicy has made! I know the Feds are laughing their asses off!!!

      • twifan2

        Does Juicy really think the Fed. prosecutors are as crazy as his/their lawyers?! smh
        The Juicys are trying everything, anything now.

        • noarguingwithstupid

          The ole’ spaghetti on the wall trick!!! See what will stick!

          • twifan2

            Nada, cause Chats will eat it before it hits the wall. ;D

          • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

            Hi NAWS! Blessings.
            You are too kind. I would say it was quite a different substance that would be hitting a fan. And that substance has a definite “perfume”, if you will, with a bit of a milk chocolate coloration.
            I am trying to be nice.

    • Dr Seuss

      Thank you WCF! And as usual valid points on your side. I highly doubt the feds will drop the bank and mortgage fraud charges. Why would they when all the proof is there in form of documentation. That’s an easy conviction along with the perjury charges you mention.

  • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

    “Final nail in their coffins”
    This makes no sense to me as this is the beginning. The first layer of onion has been peeled = imo

    Where is any evidence of a plea offered? ….that stage comes after defense receives full discovery, judge rules on admissibility…etc..

    I think people are “guessing” what is going on with Joe Giudice CASES

    It is true the FEDs do take plea deals on almost all their cases.

    I think the only thing that has happened is an investigation, grand jury, charges, plea entry, court fillings for more discovery etc. I do not think plea deal has ever been discussed. imo way to soon….these types of cases have a strict routine = imo.

    It is true to say this “case” could make a great book, movie deal, and make a Prosecutor very famous and very politically RICH.

    Think: U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, Herbert J. Stern, Patrick Collins

    • Dr Seuss

      Hi Docx,

      “Final nail in their coffins” This makes no sense to me as this is the beginning. The first layer of onion has been peeled = imo<—–Yes- FINAL NAILS in the coffin….I am willing and happy to provide you with clarification, please eloborate on your point, thanks.

      "Where is any evidence of a plea offered? ….that stage comes after defense receives full discovery, judge rules on admissibility…etc.."<—-THAT IS INCORRECT…..Tons of Pre-Arraignment Conferences and deals are brokered prior to "request" for discover or a trial. Think about it…. not all defendants request discovery especially when said defendant knows they're guilty and plan to plead guilty. That would be the logical order of the court. This goes for FEDERAL and STATE cases.

      I think people are "guessing" what is going on with Joe Giudice CASES"<—-Perhaps but court documents don't lie….court documents like the 41-count indictment are not frivolous documentation produced out of nothing. A source at the court provided the tip of about the pre-arraignment plea deal offered from the defense.

      "It is true to say this "case" could make a great book, movie deal, and make a Prosecutor very famous and very politically RICH.Think: U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, Herbert J. Stern, Patrick Collins" <—- I AGREE….a movie and a book deal should be created and hopefully they're sucessful so that the Giudice's victims can benefit from restitution.

      • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

        I appreciate your great blog!
        THANK U !
        I am having a hard time distinguishing facts of the Giudice Cases with guess and fiction….

        I think a trial would set an example….do not lie, cheat and steal to obtain bankruptcy and mortgage loans,

        Giudice’s were so flagrantly open and abusive doing it = imo Giudice’s seem entitled to do it?

        • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

          Uh, hmmmm. Nice turn around.

      • noarguingwithstupid

        Thanks Doc for the update–great as usual!!

  • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

    Can u blog/post more on where Joe said not only did Giudice sign Teresa name but his attorney did as well as former business partner JM.

    There has to be something on the notary public. NP is a witness? is criminally responsible?

    • Dr Seuss

      Sure…will do :-)

      • WestCoastFeed

        One of the bloggers has a picture of the Power of Attorney that Teresa gave to who? Joe M? There was something fishy about that, too, but I don’t remember what.

        • Dr Seuss

          I can look into it if you like?

          • WestCoastFeed

            I found it, SH had it. It looks like Juicy forged Tre’s signature to her Power of Attorney. And JM notarized it. Oh, this is so murky.

            • Birdie11

              Good grief…he certainly thinks he has the forgery thing down pat.

            • twifan2

              Maybe Juicy was ‘practicing’ her signature then? ;)

            • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

              DR can u post this? go into great detail plz… i completed my Utah notary class in November… its a felony to do what JM is alleged etc.. even if there is a video of Teresa giving JM n Joe permission to do it…..

              • Dr Seuss

                sure…will do.

            • Dr Seuss

              Oh that case…yes. That happened back in 2007/2008 time. There’s a judgement in that case for $260k that JM won. Monica Chacon’s hubby represented JM. If you recall, Tre and Monica had a show-down at the courthouse and Tre screamed liked a banshee in Monica’s face.

              • Marsbars09

                Hi Doc! Great investigative reporting. You should work for Geraldo.
                I never knew why Tre went off on Monica. Do you know the details of what made Tre so angry?!

                • Dr Seuss

                  Hi Mars–thank you!! Teresa claims Monica was going around gossiping about her. And Monica and Kim G are BFF’s so I could imagine. Teresa said she was fed up and wanted to confront Monica. At the courthouse during a break from the JM case, Tre saw Monica talking to someone in hallway and Tre went over to her and said “Monica, I need to talk to you” and Monica ignored her. Tre stood there and said it again in an angry tone and Monica said “I don’t want to talk to you” and all hell broke lose. Tre started yelling in her face to stop talking about her. Later that day, Joe and Tre attend a party at the Laurita’s and you see Joe Giudice telling the guys his wife is crazy for yelling at Monica. He said it in a joking manner.

                  • Marsbars09

                    OK. All I can say is Tre’s temper will serve her well where she’s going.

                    • Dr Seuss

                      True-she’s a tough cookie indeed.

                  • WestCoastFeed

                    And Teresa told the women that she had “silenced the lamb.”

                    • Dr Seuss

                      yup! like it was a badge of honor or something.

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Now that’s funny.
                      Her husband will be learning how to be sheep like, soon enough, ay.

              • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                She’ll be cryin’ like a waterfall later.

  • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

    Great Blog…ps Teresa would be so lucky to have that picture posted as her own personal luxurious cell. Fed prisoners usually stay in pods/dorm type. Martha survived….Teresa will to imo

    • Dr Seuss

      Thanks, Docx. You’re speaking of a minimum federal facility. She would be lucky if any minimum has a bed available. I have a strong intuition she’s going to be housed at medium to max facility, similar to what’s pictured above.

      • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

        medium to max facility have roommates? what if Teresa gets 5yrs, where would she be held?

        • Dr Seuss

          Girlfriend…I hate to break it to ya but she’s not getting 5 years… I’ll bet money on that one. There’s a sure bet :-)

          • noarguingwithstupid

            In Doc we trust!!!!

            • Dr Seuss

              you want in on this bet Naws…lmao!!!!

              In Naws “I” trust…xoxo

              • noarguingwithstupid

                AWWWWW ((((((Hugs))))))) to you !!!

          • Huh?

            What do you think she’ll end up getting? I rarely post, but read everything. I just really want to see justice served……

            • noarguingwithstupid

              Look up the federal charges on Google. Self explanatory.

            • noarguingwithstupid

              Life, I hope!!!!

              • twifan2

                Big Bertha is jumping up & down at that right now, I bet! :D

            • WestCoastFeed

              If she knows things and rats out some bigger fish, she might be able to cut a deal for a lighter sentence. But were there bigger fish involved?

              • Huh?

                I live in Jersey and have been to many of the “Charity” functions these “fauxlebrities” have attended and I’m often left wondering “who does this lead to?” because none of these “celebrities’ is smart enough to pull this stuff off I really believe there are biger fish, just don’t know if we’ll ever find out who they may be.

                • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                  From my personal vantage point, I’d gladly pay you real money to spill the beans on some of your educated opinions of just how “lovely” the Bravolebrities present in real life!

                  • Huh?

                    Speaking strictly from my own vantage point…Teresa is incredibly fake. You have to have a previous arranged meeting for her to acknowlege the “Peasants” Melissa only acknowleges those that serve her image. Kathy is a sweetheart, but not cunning enough take on the “princesses” Jacqueline only attended public appearances that were deemed “safe” And Caroline was the most personable, while still being the puppet master.

                    • WestCoastFeed

                      Thanks for sharing that. Kathy is by far my favorite of this bunch and I hope her cookbook does well. Caroline is likable and I enjoy watching the warm relationship she shares with her family and friends so I am expecting her spin-off to turn out to be a refreshing change from the turmoil of all the HW shows.

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Seriously that was really great.
                      *TTaA hands Huh? a 50 dollar bill*
                      And why aren’t we surprised, with the revelation that Teresa is incredibly FAKE!. Her sh*t don’t stink, ay. Sounds like Melissa is a close runner up on the crapazoid stinkdom of this fambly!!!
                      The Ingredientses of suicide bomber is boiling up to the very edges of the pot. That’s because the self involved entitled duo is ramping up to continue to THINK they can manage the Fed’s to their liking.
                      But, me thinks it’s gonna be a race to who will be the better unfortunate offering, to the Fed gods as the likely victim. It’s plain to see that Juicy just isn’t that benevolent a “lover”.
                      That rude facial grimace probably rampant with ticks extraordinaire is just salivating to the rise. I wonder if Juicy’s belly will simply blow-up due to the gaseous excrement just waiting to rear it’s gooey odiferous name.
                      “Uggghh”, is too poor a descriptor for the vision I just described, even for me.
                      TTaA runs to the cabinets to roughly remove the little dribbles of bleach left to guzzle down. Too many prior trips, there, now mandates a trip to the store to replenish the bleach supply.

                • WestCoastFeed

                  I can’t help but think that when the charges read that
                  tre & Juicy conspired together “and with others” that the Feds really want to nail those “others.”

                  • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                    I’m hoping that no “others” are pulled into this.
                    I personally want these two to get the full complement of personal incarceration that is awarded them!!!

            • noarguingwithstupid

              If you read everything, then you know as much as we do!

              • Huh?

                I have read everything NAWS, however, I’m not about to summize on something which I have no idea of the turnout. Which is why I asked Dr. Seuss. I would hope Tre would get 3 years incarceration, Joe, 10 or more and then deportation…but again, I’m not an expert thus, I’m asking the question.

            • noarguingwithstupid

              What do YOU think will happen?

              • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                Easy NAWS, Huh is just wondering.
                It’s all good.

                • Huh?

                  Thank you TTA! No menace intended.

                  • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                    You Betcha.
                    I love NAWS. AND we sisters help our sisters out.

            • Dr Seuss

              Realistically, looking at all the variables, I would estimate anywhere from 15-25 years but my hope is 25 years.

              • Huh?

                Holy Moly! She’ll be a grandma by the time she gets out!

                • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                  Okay.. .I’ll go so far as to predict that she’ll be a “not so grand MA” well before that.
                  With Gia at 13 already and the next likely candidate to hit woman-hood relatively soon, I’m betting that the “gypsy sister” mentality is going to evidence loud and clear in record time.
                  Any body want to join in on that “pool”??

                  • WestCoastFeed

                    My expectation is that Gia will consider herself the head of the family once Juicy goes to jail, Even at 13 it looks like she has a lot of influence over Tre.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Well, she certainly is smarter than Tre!!!!

                • Dr Seuss

                  yup!!! do the crime, you do the time….

                  • noarguingwithstupid

                    Lots and lots of time!!!!!!

          • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

            whats ur estimate? where would she serve? FEDS dont have time off for good behavior?

  • kathy fischer

    I am not very familiar with these types of cases at all but I wonder if they wi use this case as a example and the punishment wo be a little more harsh. Does anyone know?

    • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

      i think the flagrant abuse of it all, forgeries, lies, false documents to obtain loans only to file bankruptcy etc while maintaining rich excessive entitled lifestyle will be the reason the judge gives the max penalty imo also to set a deterrent example.

      • Birdie11

        Who better to make a very public example of?

        • Dr Seuss

          They always do. Makes sense since it sets an example to a broader audience.

          • Jennymckitty

            Especially after the put so much of their Bankruptcy trial and over the top spending on TV.

            • Dr Seuss

              exactly!

          • Birdie11

            That cell pic scares me and I’m not a criminal!

            • Marsbars09

              I’m sure it scares the Fraudices’ as well.

          • kathy fischer

            yep!

        • kathy fischer

          Most people have heard of them that’s for sure

      • kathy fischer

        I can see that!

  • Rhett Butler

    I love you, dr. Seuss.
    This is so ridiculous that the courts are even ALLOWING such delays to occur.

    • Dr Seuss

      Love ya right back! :-) I totally agree about these crooks running yet another con game to buy time.

      • Birdie11

        Don’t they allow ridic delays sometimes, so there will be NO question that they had every opportunity to defend themselves. So nothing comes back to bite them in the end? This seems very excessive though.

        • Dr Seuss

          True Birdie. You’re right. With fraud fed cases this is status quo. They generally are more complex and delays happen a lot.

      • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

        They will still end up takin’ it in the shorts with no Vaseline in sight.
        I know…give me the bleach Twi and NAWS and, and and.

  • Birdie11

    Great job Doc…when you say the feds hate to be mocked..in your opinion does their position as reality stars hurt them or help them…or is there no difference?

  • Marsbars09

    With the accusations that have been made public about Tre’s involvement, I strongly believe she should serve time for her involvement in the fraud. I believe she was aware of the illegal activities she was doing at the time. She certainly wasn’t thinking of her precious daughters then.
    I hope the court or judge punishes those gorillas accordingly.

    • Birdie11

      No one was thinking of the children…it’s horrible. Hey Mars (:

      • Marsbars09

        Hi sweet birdie! How are you doing?
        Those apes are pulling at very weak straws to try to make this as painless as possible.

        • Birdie11

          Sick all last week..but better now. How was your week? Yes..desperate, clinging to a ledge.

          • Marsbars09

            I’m currently recovering from a cold and sore throat. I’m glad your recovering as well.

    • murlut

      She never has thought of her children over herself. She uses the kids to sell her products, she uses them to make herself look better and I am sure she is getting more money for having them on the show. When it comes to Teresa, its just about the Benjamin’s.

  • Babson_Chick

    Thanks for the update Doc!! This whole thing is quite a mess and I don’t think anything will get resolved as fast as we would like it. One thing for sure, Joe isn’t as smart as he thinks, as sooner or later you’re going to be caught if you break the law or try to buck the system. You’d think he would have caught on instead of always trying to make quick bucks or “deals”. “whatcha gonna do when they come for you” (the guys in the “big house” are waiting for you – whatcha gonna do).

  • http://TVFishbowl.com/ Ed B.

    You’re killing me smalls “Fraudice Kitchen”

    • Dr Seuss

      Hahaha!!!

  • Jennymckitty

    I thought they were having separate trials from the beginning. I could have sworn that I read it somewhere. But really good article, Doc. No matter what Joe says or does, I feel the have her on the fraud charges.

    • Marsbars09

      Hi Jennykitty! Yes, Tre’s goose is cooked either way.

      • Jennymckitty

        Hey Mars! Happy Sunday.

        • Marsbars09

          You too.

          • Jennymckitty

            I spent the first half of my day getting peed and pooped on by every dog that came into the grooming salon. I’ve never had a day quite like this. I was glad to shower and throw my clothes in the washer.

            • Marsbars09

              You’re a pet groomer? Very interesting occupation.

              • Jennymckitty

                I was a RN in ICU’s for twenty years. My son is in the autism spectrum and I don’t have as much to give to my patients and their families. I started doing this 3 years ago because I love working with dogs. I really enjoy it.

                • Marsbars09

                  Would you groom cats?

                  • Jennymckitty

                    I’m not certified yet but hope to. Want me to practice on yours?

                    • Marsbars09

                      Oh, I thought I told you, I don’t have cats. That’s why I was fascinated with Jenny.

                    • Jennymckitty

                      I’m sorry. I do the occasional cat nail trims and baths. My arms are so scratched up that I look like a cutter.

                • Birdie11

                  That’s so cool Jenny..I love dogs too. I sort of hate little yappy ones though.

            • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

              I would have hosed off in the back yard then ran lickety split onto a towel and then into the house!

              • Jennymckitty

                The neighbors would have enjoyed that or been horrified…can’t decide which.

                • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                  Whul, Love it or laugh it. . .as long as y’all get cleaned up, ay.

  • WestCoastFeed

    Do I have this right? It is my understanding that the statute of limitations for mortgage and loan fraud is 10 years from the start of the investigation. If the bankruptcy lies triggered the investigation those 2001 to 2005 charges should fall within the limitations.

    • Jennymckitty

      Juicy is just trying to use anything to whittle down the charges.

    • Dr Seuss

      Bingo! Those are my thoughts exactly too. They filed Chapter 7 in 2009 so according to those stipulations they feds fall within guideline.

  • murlut

    They have thrown what they did in everyone’s faces for years. They have flaunted what they took and lived the high life for years. The prosecutor had better be making sure BOTH of them serve time or everyone is Teresa needs to serve time, she is just as guilty as her creepy husband

    • Marsbars09

      Preach murlut! I just posted a similar comment.

      • Dr Seuss

        here ya go compliments of Twifan:

        http://twitpic.com/dnoqqh

        • Jennymckitty

          Thanks, Doc. Guess the lamb didn’t stay quiet for long.

          • Dr Seuss

            Welcome! Who knew the lamb had the roar of a lion.

        • Birdie11

          I remember thinking if Juicy is describing Tre this way on camera…what a screaming banshee she must have been.

          • noarguingwithstupid

            What a lovely sight she must have been. I think we’ve forgotten how “demure and genteel” she is!!!!

            • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

              I just about fell off the chair with the ‘GENTEEL’ descriptor!

        • twifan2

          I do like Tre’s take on the ‘meeting’ with Monica! :D

          http://twitpic.com/dnorlr

        • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

          Now THAT was tres cool!

  • WestCoastFeed

    Hey, I wanna see all those Bravo outtakes, too. Maybe some devious soul at Bravo will leak them for us.

  • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

    United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey. Paul J. Fishman age 56 is a registered Democrat and resides in Montclair NJ. He is married with two children.

    Wonder who else lives in his neighborhood?

    • WestCoastFeed

      And now he also gets to investigate NJ’s bully governor.

      • Birdie11

        OT…was on the Twitter Pic thread on the other site earlier and noticed Vegas asking about you…(BC of a Curtis Stone pic!). Of course I couldn’t tell her…but wanted you to know.

        • WestCoastFeed

          Thanks, Birdie. She’s one of my favs. I hope she finds her way over here eventually.

          • Birdie11

            I know…me too. It’s so frustrating to not be able to say anything. I tried to tell Kitt, and it didn’t fly.

      • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

        Gov Christi HAD Fishman’s job….. Gov Christi WAS the US ATTY for NJ then he ran for Governor …then Fishman was appointed US Atty for the District of NJ

        • WestCoastFeed

          I can’t help but wonder how Al Manzo feels about Gov. Christie right now.

          • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

            Yep, that would be interesting, to be in sweet loving ever affectionate Al’s head right about now.

        • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

          Pres. Obama appt Fishman and Pres Bush appt Christi.

          Gov Christi is Republican while Fishman is a Democrat.

          Manzo’s are Republican. Giudices dont vote, I assume cant read or write either…

          • WestCoastFeed

            Teresa did vote in the last election, she tweeted about it. And, of course, Juicy can’t vote since he isn’t a citizen.

            Caroline Manzo is a Fox News watcher, so she probably hasn’t even heard about Gov. Christie’s problems.

  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

    What a great article, Doc! These two jokers are going to have to face up to their crimes soon. But I thought the trial was in February? I was SO looking forward to it. This thing just keeps getting delayed and delayed again.

    Just throw these 2 assholes in jail and drop the key into the Atlantic.

    And Joe? A word of advice–don’t drop the soap cuz you are about the right height (if ya know what I mean).

    • Marsbars09

      Hi 4th! It seems like ages since I’ve chatted with you? How are you?

      • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

        Hi Mars! I know–it has been forever–way too long. I’m doing well, enjoying being back in my beloved San Fran, after having to spend most of the fall on the E. Coast.

        How are you? I hope you had a wonderful Holiday season & that 2014 is treating you right! :)

        • Marsbars09

          I’m currently recovering from a cold, but I’ll be fine.
          I’m glad you’re back home. I hope you too had a wonderful holiday and happy new year.

          • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

            You and me too! I’m mostly over it but 3 days ago I had such a high fever, aches, chills, sweat, shaking–BLECH! Oh and congestion & extreme headache too!

            I hope you are fee,ing better! I finally am and was able to go ride my bike today. It felt good. I guess illness makes us appreciate our health. I thought I was dying last Thurs–don’t remember when I’ve had such a high fever.

            Sending you healing energy!

  • https://twitter.com/ResearcherX/favorites RX

    Would stealing and using a notary stamp be ten years?

    • noarguingwithstupid

      I doubt it!!!!

    • WestCoastFeed

      I remember that from the Joe M case. I wonder why Juicy hasn’t been indicted for that?

    • Dr Seuss

      Every state has their own laws governing notary misuse. Not sure about 10 years (in any state) that seems really harsh

      • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

        There’s such a mountain of this stuff to follow, I’ve lost track.
        Is the notary issue part of the Federal case or part of the State case?

        • WestCoastFeed

          No case anywhere. He was never arrested for it.

          • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

            Thanks. You’re a peach!

        • Dr Seuss

          They’re referring to Joe Giudice’s forgery case from 2009 (not the federal or state) a separate civil case, where Joe stole the notary stamp of his prior assistant in order to notarize documents he forged. You can read all the details here http://radaronline.com/exclusi

  • Dr Seuss
    • WestCoastFeed

      Thanks Doc, Judge Stern really read him the riot act. From the moment that decision was read in court, they must have known that a lot more grief was to come.

      • Dr Seuss

        Monica Chacon tipped the feds off as a result of this case. She knew the extent of their criminality.

    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

      Hey Doc. Great Stuff!
      What is particularly poignant with the timing of this declarative decision is that it is yet another established and qualified example of breaking the law by this couple of thieves.
      Somehow, I really don’t think that Joe Giudice is going to be successful enough to give Teresa a clean break from his business dealings in order to Federally completely sever her connection to him.
      I would bet, that the Fed’s have both of them dead to rights on the case they are building against Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice and his not so likely to be deemed stupid wife.

      I think she will be found to be hip deep in this mess. And thus hip deep in responsibility as well.

      • WestCoastFeed

        And remember, she wasn’t a child bride when she married Juicy. She was nearing 30 and had been working and paying taxes on her own for years.

        • Marsbars09

          Hi WCF! I commented earlier that Tre knew what she was doing and should be sentenced accordingly.

          • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

            From your mouth (or fingers as it seems) to God’s ears (and the legal systems as well).

          • WestCoastFeed

            I agree, Mars. She can’t be this savvy business woman who has built an empire, and a stupid little twit who just did whatever her hubby told her to, at the same time.

  • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

    Thanks Doc, for your astute update on what makes me laugh out loud about what “Joe” wants.
    The ditch is getting deeper and deeper and so, it seems, are the blowhard requests from two sh*t-heels that are intellectually challenged at best. Their legal team’s flatulent stands of pretending some kind of power against the Federal Government is a phantasm that reeks of stench odor.
    I would be willing to bet that “his” requests will last about as long as any porcelain throne flush has so far in the soon to be sold McMansion home of this real house wife’s life.

    • Dr Seuss

      Hi TreTAA–Hahahaha!! This one of your funniest comments yet. You have a unique and hilarious way with words. hank you for this!!

      • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

        You are too kind!
        I had to go back and read it to see what you meant.
        I can’t tell you how blessed all of us are that YOU DocTah are on top of this over flowing commode of information regarding the mountain of dung these two are currently continuing to build.
        I gently bow to your expertise. *But I sneaks a peek with my freckle face and eyes looking up in a gingerly fashion of wonderment*
        And if I were a man I would be twisting the wax on my Snidely Whiplash moustache!

        • Dr Seuss

          No, Thank YOU. You have a brilliant and whimsical mind. Good natured people like you make this community a pleasure to be around.

  • WestCoastFeed

    Anyone know anything about the Honorable Esther Salas who is hearing this case? All I know is that she is the first Latina judge to serve on this court. Is she known for being tough? lenient? Does she have a reputation?

  • julyol1972

    Excellent job, Doc! I thought I knew everything there is to know about this case, but you shed new light on the situation. For example, hearing that some counts of the indictments are specific to Joe only.

    All roads seem to indicate that they want to admit guilt, but only on their terms. Somebody forgot to tell them how Uncle Sam and the Feds work. They better ask somebody!

    • Dr Seuss

      Hi July. Thank you! Miss ya today. So many moving parts to this case it’s crazy and now reading the latest motions, confirms Joe was involved in a lot more criminal activity. It’s nuts!

      • julyol1972

        Hi Sweetie! Been working on Pinterest for a good part of the day. But took a break to watch Atlanta and WWHL which had all the husbands on tonight. Very interesting!!!

        As far as the case goes. Do you see more counts being handed down, now that you have more information?

  • fengshoe1

    Thanks, Doc, for the informative piece!
    Doc, any ideas why there haven’t been any liens? So sick of these 2 parading their criminal gains for all to see.
    Hello everybody.

    • Dr Seuss

      Hi Fengshoe! You’re welcome. There are a host of liens on their
      Towaco, N.J. home from the fertility clinic they used to conceive Audrianna to some construction companies and various legal fees Whenever their mansion is sold, all the lien holders will need to be paid.

      • fengshoe1

        Ah, yes. Now, I think, I remember those.
        Haha, I’ve only just recovered from last deep freeze and now in another. Surely, it has affected my brain.
        I had hoped the government would freeze assets.
        In any event, glad you break it down. :)

        • Dr Seuss

          Please stay warm my friend. I’m hearing it’s cold again and snow is coming…stay safe.

          • fengshoe1

            Thanks Doc!
            For today, I’m okay. Just get a bit overwhelmed sometimes with chronic, pesky health issues. :)
            Yes,single digits and around 8 inches expected. Just put wood in the stove
            Wishing you’re well in your area.

  • Kifferslady

    Great article Doc. This soap opera of The Juicy’s has become crazy. I have to wonder if any of it will ever be settled.

  • Izzy

    Fantastic job, Seuss!

  • noarguingwithstupid

    So, is Teresa getting ready to meet her cellmates?

    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

      Nope, Tre’s looking forward to meeting the hair dressers and nail girls and stylists of her future cell-mates!
      Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!
      Yoh, Olah Ms Naws!!!!

      • noarguingwithstupid

        Olah my darling!!! Can’t wait until she becomes a hair stylist in prison. Or maybe she will study nails!!!!

        • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

          Okay, I’ll come back in again. (I attempted a reply and messed myself up, hooh. . .what a twit. . oh wait, that’s part of my name, ay)
          Yeah, I’m thinkin’ that “used to be graphite black” shaved bits combined with water is the best color the girlz will have for both hair, nails AND eye liner. Teresa will need to take some lessons from Big Bertha on how to lay down that color with precision, ay!

          • noarguingwithstupid

            She is a fast learner and will get it in no time!!!! That eyeliner will have to suffice, as I don’t think fake eyelashes are allowed in PRISON!!!!!!! (I love to remind folks of that!!!)

            • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

              Are the fake eyelashes banned because they get used far too often for the “butterfly affect” too much on the woman private parts?? (I just came up with that connection, ugghh)

              Too descriptive?? Uh Sorry, trip to the cabinets once again for the bleach!

              • noarguingwithstupid

                Oh, Tre’s Twit!!!!! Get that bleach now and give me some!!!!

                • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                  And another jigger. This time a 2 ouncer.

                  • noarguingwithstupid

                    Thank you. I’ll drink this to cleanse my soul!!!!

                  • noarguingwithstupid

                    Let’s make a pact to send Teresa some sprinkle cookies when she’s in prison!!!! I’ll pay for postage!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      I’ll package it up, with a feather boa!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Perfecto!!!!! Love those feathers!!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Feathers have a number of purposes.
                      Didn’t quite go there, so this time I get to side step the bleach action.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      No need to go there. I read the books also!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Was that bathroom library reading material??

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      No, small children at that time. That was bedroom reading!! Remember, I’m a little Irish Catholic Broad!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Ahhhh…lovely!

            • WestCoastFeed

              Will she be allowed to show the girls how to embellish their orange jumpsuits with feathers?

              • noarguingwithstupid

                For Sure!!!!!! And then they can pluck it and cook it!!!

              • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                Is Tre gonna get the feathers from plucking the chickens for her cacciatore dish when she’s working in the kitchen??
                Cacciatore for about a couple hundred women, ay!

                • noarguingwithstupid

                  I think she has to use the terlit for a lot of her own personal dishes!!

                  • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                    *TTaA gives NAWS, a jigger of bleach*

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Thank you. I’m going to put in my eyes!!!!!! and hope it goes to my brain!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      TTaA aims to pleeze.

                • noarguingwithstupid

                  Well, remember they made 800 lbs. of sausage!!!!!!! What’s cacciatore for few hundred Big Berthas?????

                  • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                    Small potayta’s. Like Juicy’s junk, ay.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      You got that right!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      ARrrggghhhh. . .my eyes,. . .my. . . . . .eyez. .they hurt. . .oh..the hurt. . .the burn.. .it’s . . .nnnno. . .I can’t see…..
                      Might help if I raised the lids. . .what a twit. . . !
                      I shouldn’t have peeked!!!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      NEVAH peek!!!!!!!! It’s the debil!!!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Ya got dat right!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      You know, we are driving some people crazy on here!!!! Like I care!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      We haven’t done this for a while. . .I had to sharpen back up with the banter button switched on.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      I hope they all had a despicable Holiday Season!!! Who’s going to take care of that adorable puppy when they are in PRISON????

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Whul,
                      Maybe they’ll donate the pup to the Melissa and Joe fambly.
                      After the new McMajorMansion is built with all of it’s fake granite surfaces, the pup will have any number of floors to soil ad libidum, ay.
                      It’s the clean up action, that Tre will certainly delight in for her oh so beloved SIL to have to enjoy.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      I wonder who will buy Teresa’s mess of a house with the winged door handles and the truly ugly furniture??? (Which helped get her in trouble!!!)

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      No me!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      It will have to be burned….Like the witch’s house it is!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      The Fed’s will be sad if it’s torched. I’m thinkin’ they’re looking forward to some coin from that sale.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Maybe some rich Tre Lover will buy it!!!! Better have it blessed by Priest and do a house exorcism!!!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      I wonder what the mortgage is on that piece of crap house????

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      The DocTah might have a hint. Or, HuH?, who lives in the area, ay.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      I need to talk to you.

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Meeeeee??
                      What did I do now?

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      You did nothing.

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Okay. . . ?
                      Let me apologize in advance then, for what I “didn’t do”.
                      You know I LOVE YOU, Missy NAWS.
                      I pwahmiss, I do bettah nez time!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      You did noting wrong, My darling!!! I LOVE YOU!!!! You might be a little gullible!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Oh, you know me too well.
                      Roger that, on the gullibility factor.
                      Some times it’s a hindrance and sometimes it’s a virtue.
                      What cha see’z is what cha get’s.
                      Jus remember I LOVE YOU, my NAWS!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      And I love you and always have!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      Mutual My Dear!
                      “Nuff said!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Teresa is a mean bitch and we can’t forget everything she has done!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      AND don’t forget FAKE!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Can they have t.v. in prison??? I was wondering if she would watch re-runs of herself!!!!

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      But, of course.
                      I’d like a nice keeeeyanteee with the feather cacciatore with sprinkle embellishments.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      And some nice white beans!!!!!!! (Wouldn’t it be great if her cellie were a mass murderer!!!!) No such luck.

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      I’ve got some extra catcher’s masks I could send her along with a hand truck.

                      They’ll have to get the straight jacket from their linen cabinet.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      YES!!! She could be the female Hannible!!!!

              • noarguingwithstupid

                I will nevah forget the feathers!!!!! What imbecile decided on that????? I remember just laughing and laughing!!!

              • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                Who thinks that Melissa will smuggle in some sprinkles, for effect??

                • noarguingwithstupid

                  It would be so great if she could bring some really cheesy, cheap, sprinkle cookies for Tre!!!!

    • Dr Seuss

      Big Bertha is ready.

      • noarguingwithstupid

        And I know she is!!!!!!

        • Dr Seuss

          Hahaha! Tre better sharpen us her skills.

  • Vince Foster, Jr.

    Spouses are not required to testify against each other.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spousal_privilege

    • Dr Seuss

      Hi Vince– Only IF they are trialed separately but Teresa and Joe are codefendants so that law does not apply. That’s why Joe wants the feds to separate their trials.

      • http://TVFishbowl.com/ Ed B.

        Correct anything testified to by Joe or Teresa can be used against the other if they’re tried together. There must be a lot of dirt for the lawyers to try to have the defendants separated. The feds have already said they won’t allow Joe to take the fall by himself, they want a pound of flesh from them both!

        • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

          YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Dr Seuss

          Exactly!!!!

  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

    That little butt ugly midget has some kind of freaking nerve.

    • noarguingwithstupid

      I take it you are speaking of Juicy and not Tre!!!!!

      • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

        Well both of the little a-holes really. The entitled Barney and Betty Rubble can kiss my ass and go to jail already. Joe’s gonna get to play rumpy pumpy with Bubbah.

        • noarguingwithstupid

          Soon, I hope!!!! I love Rumpy Pumpy!!!!

          • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

            I don’t know, NAWS–they seem to be slippery like they are covered in olive oil or something. They keep slipping out of justice’s fingers!

            I also love Rumpy Pumpy (lol–Lisa’s dog–not doing it). Hahaha.

            • noarguingwithstupid

              Patience is a virtue and we must all wait!!!!!!

              • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                Our patience is truly being tried though!!! They should have been in the slammer LAST year! But it will be SWEET to see their house go up for sale, their belongings scattered to the wind, and those ugly orange jumpsuits that Tre is just going to HATE. She’ll probably try to get sequins from commissary.

                • WestCoastFeed

                  Sequins and feathers.

                  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                    Duly noted. I can’t believe I forgot the feathers! How is she going to make high heels out of Keds though? That’s hard to do.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Terlit paper!!!!!!

                    • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                      Terlit paper rolls!!!! But of course!!!

                • noarguingwithstupid

                  And the feathers!!!!!! We can’t forget the feathers!

                  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                    There shall be feathers AND sequins you are right. And if they don’t sell them, someone will smuggle them in. Up their (ahem) cavities.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Some of those feathers are very, very, very long!!!!!!

                    • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                      OUCH! The ends are pointy!

        • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

          If I could give you many up arrows, I would have!

          • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

            I feel your sentiments, Tre’s! :) And appreciate them.

          • Dr Seuss

            Ditto! Heels is awesome!

            • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

              I feel my head getting bigger. LOL.

              • Dr Seuss

                you’re entitled…you earned it…love you hon!

                • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                  Luv ya back, Doc. You’re the greatest. I’m so glad you told me where you were. I have not placed one comment drinking tea since I learned of the FB.

                  • Dr Seuss

                    ❤❤❤❤❤ XOXOXO!!!!!!!!!!

              • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                Maybe we could borrow the vice Teresa has Juicy’s ballz in to help slow down the, oh, uh, sorry.
                I got a bit carried away.
                You’re head’s just fine. Shut up and enjoy the accolades!

                • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                  LOLOL! Okay. Thanks, I shall! :)

    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

      AND that too was very well researched and beeeeyooootihfooly written!
      Well said!

      • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

        LOL! *bowing deeply” Why thank you! I thought deeply before writing that sentence. :)

    • Dr Seuss

      AHAHAHAHA!!!!!! “Butt ugly midget” <—— Bwahahaha!!!! That should be the title of a book.

      • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

        Oh don’t give me ideas! :D We could collaborate on the scams and grifting of the Butt Ugly Midget and his Apefied Wife.

        • Dr Seuss

          YES!!!! We really should and I have some good ideas to share.

          • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

            You know, their story would be eye-opening for a lot of people–even beyond the RhoNJ fanbase-but because some people did similar things (only not to the extent of these 2 criminals).

            The ones that support Tre and Joe? I wonder about them. They must have done something similar to think it’s okay that the Rubbles did it.

            • Dr Seuss

              Her fans make me question their morals. We should really talk I have some ideas swirling in my head and excited!

              • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                Yes, we actually should–truly.

                And I agree about her fans–they have to have questionable morals themselves.

                • Dr Seuss

                  uh huh!!!!

                  • WestCoastFeed

                    Oops, wrong reply spot

                    • Dr Seuss

                      That’s paramount.

                  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                    It would sell. I know it would. We’d have to get the story behind the story too–like go to the banks they scammed and talk to the bank officers. I wonder if that is at all public record–the banks they went to. I wonder if they are allowed to talk to the press? (I have a press card).

                    Anyway, I have to get out of here and get some work done. I’ve had too much fun in here right now and I’m off to my dungeon to work.

                    But we shall talk more about this.

                    • Dr Seuss

                      OMG! You got my creative juices flowing. I will email you.

  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

    Also, this was an outstanding article–very well researched and beautifully written.

    • Dr Seuss

      Thanks Heels! :-)

      Articles like this are fun to research and write considering the circus this case has become. You can’t make this stuff up!!!

      • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

        You are doing a great job of keeping us updated on their crap! I can’t wait for these nasty, scamming grifters to go to the slammer. So sick of them flaunting their ill-gotten gains in front of everyone.

        • Dr Seuss

          Me too! And the fact they are pulling these obvious stunts is a travesty of the justice system = imo

          • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

            I think you are right and that the Feds are going to get pissed at these delay tactics. You are so right–they hate to be played with. Teresa and Joe are so entitled they think they are above the law.

            • Dr Seuss

              i hope this makes the feds so mad they don’t budge in the plea agreements and nail those suckers to the wall.

              • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                Oh me too. I really want to see them pay for what they have done. That they’ve gotten rich (and recently ripping off Hurricane Sandy victims!) from ripping people off is just so despicable. How they can sleep at night . . .

                • Dr Seuss

                  They sleep at night because they’re both sociopaths that view hard-working tax-payers as suckers waiting to be suckered. People are totally disposable to these crooks.

                  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                    LOL! Thanks for reminding me. How could I forget?

                    • Dr Seuss

                      Can’t wait for your RHOBH recap!

                    • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                      I’m looking forward to watching the show tonight! And recapping it! I’m going to try tweeting a little too while I’m watching. I’ve got hubs doing commentary (and he says some funny stuff) tonight too. He hates that I watch these shows and when I force him to watch with me, he makes so much fun of all of them!

                    • Dr Seuss

                      that sounds eerily familiar…I make my hubs watch and he comes up with some funny insightful stuff. It’s too funny because he also hates reality tv

                    • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                      LOL–it doesn’t surprise me at all that our husband’s are similar. My husband does a REALLY funny impression of Kim and he also does an excellent Mauricio. He’s so funny–that was a HUGE part of my attraction for him. I love a man who can make me laugh. Oh what the heck–I’m the luckiest woman in the world. And so are you too, I bet! ;-)

                    • Dr Seuss

                      Yes we are! LOL!!!

  • noarguingwithstupid

    Doc did a great job!!!

    • Dr Seuss

      Thanks Mars :-)

      • noarguingwithstupid

        Mars???? You Funny!!!

        • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

          You aren’t from Mars? I am. And I am grateful that I’m not from Uranus.

          • noarguingwithstupid

            I from Venus!!!!

            • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

              There you go! :)

            • Dr Seuss

              oopsie…i’ll know for next time….i’m from jupiter.

          • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

            Such a play on syllables.

            • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

              It’s fun! Too much fun. I really need to get some work done. This place is very addictive when you are all here though!

        • Dr Seuss

          lmao! you know i meant naws….good gawd…the giudice’s are making me batty!! the tre-huggers are coming for me hard…lmao!!!

          • noarguingwithstupid

            When I find them, no one believes me!!!!!!

            • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

              I’ll believe you NAWS! Mwah!

            • Dr Seuss

              i have a feeling the tre-huggers are watching us hard but i have on my bulletproof vest

              • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                I’ve got a rock-n-roll flack jacket! Will that help??

                • Dr Seuss

                  on top of the bulletproof vest that would be perfect, thanks!

                  • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                    You betcha.
                    I’ll ship it out with another feather boa tied on it for show.

                    • Dr Seuss

                      LOL! You rock dude!

            • Dr Seuss

              oh i know you’re telling the truth…i believe…i believe!

              • noarguingwithstupid

                Thank you Doc!!!!!! I feel like Peter Pan!!

                • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                  LOL!

          • WestCoastFeed

            How are the Tre huggers reacting to this? From what I have seen, they seem to be wallowing in Juicy’s tactics and they are saying that he has vindicated Tre.

            • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

              They are as delusional as their unworthy heroes though.

              Any fan of these two dimwits’ has an elevator that doesn’t reach the top floor. Morons.

            • Dr Seuss

              They’re mad at me West..”I’m mean and I’m not thinking of the kids” blah blah. most bloggers didn’t write this story from my perspective, as usual they sugar-coated the reality of the situation to comfort the TreHuggers..not I

              • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                If they had any feeling for those poor kids they would recognize how much better those girls would be if they were raised by people with actual morals and values. Although I’m not sure there is anyone in their family who has that.

                • Dr Seuss

                  Nobody in that family is a better alternative. Those poor girls would be better off with homeless crackheads than that family.

                  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                    Doc, you guys are killing me. Wolves and crackheads–good lord. Well, they can’t come live with me.

                    • Dr Seuss

                      Them little furry creatures ain’t welcome at my residence ‘neetha’

                    • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                      You are being too nice, saying furry creatures.
                      I’d go straight to rodents or vermin!
                      And I’d build a panic room JUST for them. Panic being that you’d better start to panic upon entering the room!!!

                      RRREEEEERRRRFFFFFTTTT!

                    • Dr Seuss

                      ROFLMAO!!! You my dear are a genius. Your mind never ceases to amaze me!

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      The wolves or the kids?????

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      And I don’t want them!!!! Give them to Zen Dina!!!!

                • noarguingwithstupid

                  The kids would be better off if raised by wolves!!

                  • 4theHighHeels_4theRawDeals

                    I love how you never mince words.

                    • noarguingwithstupid

                      Thank you. I am humbled and bow my head to you!!!!! A mincer I have never been!!!! Always a smart alec!!!!!

              • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                TTaA raises a flute of Piper Heidziek (sp) to the DocTah!

                No mugs of Champipple here, ay.

                • Dr Seuss

                  cheers! might as well get drunk like Juicy and say “faggetitaboutit”

                  • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

                    Uh.. .I’m glad you put the “e” in the fagget portion of your word.
                    You know Reza and what’s his name, Sasha would get their panties in a bunch, ay.
                    Oh well, whatever floats yer boat, or their boat or whatever.

  • WestCoastFeed

    I guess we are in for months of legal maneuvers and delays. And in the end there will be plea bargains for both of them. I want a trial! I want all the remaining Giudice fans to see exactly what these two crooks have done over the years, so that they can no longer excuse them.

    • Dr Seuss

      West, a trial would have been awesome but we know that will never happen UNLESS they are complete idiots who want 50 year sentences. With or without a trial, the her fans will never accept the truth. They will continue to make every excuse in the book because making excuses for bad behavior is etched in their DNA. Her fans are the ones that create and foster ill-mannered monsters in society. It’s quite pathetic and sad.

      • WestCoastFeed

        You”re right. It is sad.

      • julyol1972

        Hear, hear! Sad but very true!

    • Dr Seuss

      Franks commented above

      • WestCoastFeed

        Hey, Doc, RT has gotten a hold on the actual documents filed. Can you get your hands on them, too? There’s even more involved in what the lawyers want. They also want the counts divided and I think it is to separate the loan and mortgage fraud from the bankruptcy fraud. That makes sense and would allow Juicy to take the fall for those and still let them both be charge for the BK fraud. If I am understanding in right.

        • Dr Seuss

          Hi West. I have the docs. I will do another RHNJ thread and post tomorrow. Glad you saw Franks. Check your email when you have a free moment.

  • flashlightsmistress

    These two are DISGUSTING! I hope ALL of his requests get DENIED!

    • Dr Seuss

      Franks!!!! I miss you so much honey.

      I hope all these stupid taunting requests infuriates the feds so much that they nail these crooks to the wall. By the time they get out they’ll both need bed pans.

    • WestCoastFeed

      Hey, franks. We all miss you.

  • WestCoastFeed

    OT–For those of you who have asked about little Nicholas Laurita. Jac has tweeted recently that while he still can’t hold a conversation, his vocabulary his increased markedly, he is making better eye contact and can verbally make his needs known. He can read and spell. Beginning to dress himself and eat with utensils. And he has become fascinated by Spanish videos on You-tube.

    • Dr Seuss

      WOW!!!! With all those significant milestones his symptoms don’t sound like classic Autism traits. Hopefully with continued therapy he will grow out of “whatever” he has. Most kids with Autism can’t do any of the above.

      • WestCoastFeed

        They are fortunate that he appears to be on the mild end of the spectrum.

        • Dr Seuss

          Not even mild, West. He’s barely on the spectrum and for that they should be VERY grateful. That’s a good thing.

      • Tre’s Twits aren’t Angelic

        Actually Doc the spectrum is very wide. I’ve worked with children on the spectrum that hardly talked at all were very tactilly defensive, had numerous “stims” that they do and were certainly mentally challenged so they were in the Severely Handicapped program and they have one on one assistance at school and at home (I have one student just like that right now). And I have had students on the spectrum that functioned actually pretty good in General Education classes, had very good language, but they had to have things exactly their way or the day was blown and they were throwing furniture all over the place. Then I’ve had students who had very little outward and obvious behaviors that were evidenced seldomly but they had to do their “stims” to get their focus re-focused that were done separate from others. The Autism Spectrum is very wide!
        Stims means self stimulating behaviors that are repetitive and they perseverate over time (they persevere). They help to make the child’s (in my case students’) world manageable for them.
        There are numerous characteristics of Autism that have to be present in order to clarify the diagnosis. This contributes to the varied behaviors present for students on the spectrum.

  • WestCoastFeed

    Tonight at 8 EST, HLNTV Jeff Gold will discuss this trial.

    • noarguingwithstupid

      I’m bummed!!! Thanks again for keeping us apprised of these two crooks!

      • WestCoastFeed

        Hi, NAWS. It was funny, first he tweeted that they would be discussed, then a few minutes later retracted it. I guess he forgot to ask “Nancy, may I” first.

      • Dr Seuss

        Me too! That would have been interesting.

    • Dr Seuss

      Hi West. Thanks for keeping us updated. I appreciate you very much :-)

      • WestCoastFeed

        ROL now has a story on this which they are claiming as an exclusive.

        • Dr Seuss

          Bwahahahaha!!!! ROL claim EVERY story an exclusive. Celebuzz broke the story….RT copied it from TVFB and now ROL is claiming exclusive….this shit is too funny!

          • WestCoastFeed

            I’ve been reading comments. Looks like most of the Tre fans have given up trying to excuse her.

            • Dr Seuss

              Finally– good to hear they’re coming to their senses.